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Kasino Model U-200 [message #18354]

Sun, 10 March 2013 14:18

Smokey Ranger
Messages: 11
Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

Junior Member

Hello, New here but have been lurking (learning) for a few weeks now.
I picked up a Kasino 424.
Have been doing some minor repairs and cleanup.
It is coming along fine and sounds great.
I am looking for a few parts (mostly cosmetic)and a little more information.
1st Question:
Any leads on where I can find replacement knobs?
I know I can get Kustom style knobs without much problem, and I many do that If i have to.
2nd Question:
What would be the correct feet for the cabinets?
I can see the imprint of 1 1/2" OD on the bottom of the cabs.
Would they be rubber or like Fender Style Chrome Glides metal 1.3395" OD

I have a lot of options and can make anything work for the two parts above...but...

3rd Question:
On the top of the Cab Model x420
There are 4 plastic cups the combo amp feet fit into.
Having a hard time finding replacements for them.

Thanks in advance
Barry

Barry
Kasino 424

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18356 is a reply to message #18354]

Sun, 10 March 2013 14:48

pleat
Messages: 1453
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

Senior Member

Barry, welcome to the site. I see your in Saganaw, I'm near Grand Rapids along with two other kustom collectors.

You can get the replacement glides from a Peavey dealer. They are a good replacement with a hard rubber insert. As far as the knobs, I don't know of a replacement.

I remember seeing a Kasino amp on CL in Saganaw a few months ago with the powered second cabinet. Maybe it's the same one. Does your x420 cab have the power amp in the back panel? The internal power amp in the head is designed to drive the 4 12" speakers in the cab. if the second cabinet is missing the power amp, the main amp won't drive the internal speakers and the second cabinet speakers without damaging the internal amp.
pleat

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18359 is a reply to message #18356]

Sun, 10 March 2013 15:33

Kustom_Bart
Messages: 601
Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN

Senior Member

Welcome to the site Barry, I live about 6-7 miles from Pleat and have know him for at least 35 years or more. He is my Kustom mentor...lol! He knows a ton about this stuff and is great to have close by when I have questions \m/ Rock and Roll my friend, glad to have another MichiGUN guy here!

Bart

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18362 is a reply to message #18359]

Sun, 10 March 2013 16:20

Smokey Ranger
Messages: 11
Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

Junior Member

Thank you for the quick replies
so you are saying they came with sliders?

'I remember seeing a Kasino amp on CL in Saganaw a few months ago with the powered second cabinet. Maybe it's the same one. Does your x420 cab have the power amp in the back panel? The internal power amp in the head is designed to drive the 4 12" speakers in the cab. if the second cabinet is missing the power amp, the main amp won't drive the internal speakers and the second cabinet speakers without damaging the internal amp.'

Yes I bought it.

It had the power amp in the cab but he sold it.

I know adding more speakers lowers the Ohms to dangerous levels.
Rewiring so I have 8 ohms total I should be able to drive 8 speakers right?

Barry
Kasino 424

[Updated on: Sun, 10 March 2013 16:21]

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18363 is a reply to message #18362]

Sun, 10 March 2013 17:16

pleat
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Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

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I thought it might be the same amp. A kustom collector friend of ours in MN. ended up buying the power module. You can always increase the impedance and not hurt the amp. The kasino amps want a 4 ohm total load, so your safe at 8 ohms.
pleat

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18369 is a reply to message #18363]

Sun, 10 March 2013 21:27

Smokey Ranger
Messages: 11
Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

Junior Member

Could be.
The previous owner got them and they were recovered in red velvet.
He removed it...left most of the nails Smile

The tolex doesn't look to bad.
He replaced the cab corners and added casters to the side of the cab

The first thing I do when I get something old like this is open it up.

The combo cab only had the amp in it.
He added a 3 wire power cord but it still has the polarity switch and "The Death Cap" hooked up.

First thing I noticed the Ballast Resister by the pilot light was getting hot.
Checked the bulb had an 8 volt bulb in there is replaced it with a 1829...all good now.
looked like the bulb had been in there more than 20 years.

The cab has 4 Peavey 8 Ohm 12" Scorpions in it.
Jack was wired reverse polarity
And as I said the Power Module is gone.

I think others have asked about board schematics and they might not be available.
It has a PC5024 R2 and a PC 5013 REV 3 in it.
If anyone has a copy of them great but if not anything that would be close?

Barry
Kasino 424

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18377 is a reply to message #18369]

Mon, 11 March 2013 22:43

Smokey Ranger
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Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

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Thanks for the schematics Pleat.
They will be very useful

Thought I'd try and post a pic of my setup

Barry
Kasino 424

[Updated on: Fri, 05 April 2013 21:29]

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18378 is a reply to message #18377]

Mon, 11 March 2013 22:49

Smokey Ranger
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Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

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Ok got that to work

I found a foot switch on E-bay
It is a Kustom but would the one for the Kasino look the same?

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p494/S-Ranger/Kustom%20Foot%20Switch/KustomOneButtonFootSwitchP2.jpg

Barry
Kasino 424

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18381 is a reply to message #18378]

Tue, 12 March 2013 06:55

pleat
Messages: 1453
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

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Nice find, the amp looks like it's in good shape for it's age. The footswitch you posted will work to turn off and on the selective boost circuit. I don't ever remember Kustom footswitches being labeled with the Kasino logo.
pleat

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18614 is a reply to message #18381]

Fri, 05 April 2013 21:33

Smokey Ranger
Messages: 11
Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

Junior Member

I have been busy and making some progress.
I should add updates more often.

The Combo Cab Cleaned up

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p494/S-Ranger/Kasino%20424%20My%20Pictures/Kasino422ComboCabcleanedupfront32013_cr.jpg

And The Cab Cleaned up

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p494/S-Ranger/Kasino%20424%20My%20Pictures/Kasino420Cabcleanedupcamewithcastersontheside32013_cr-1.jpg

Still more to do

Barry
Kasino 424

[Updated on: Fri, 05 April 2013 22:03]

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18615 is a reply to message #18614]

Fri, 05 April 2013 22:05

Smokey Ranger
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Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

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Here is some of what I removed

http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p494/S-Ranger/Kasino%20424%20My%20Pictures/BurgundyVelvetandTacks.jpg

Just imagine both the cabs covered in this velvet.
Back in the day your T&R had nothing on these Kasino Cabs LOL LOL Embarassed

Barry
Kasino 424

[Updated on: Fri, 05 April 2013 22:24]

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18616 is a reply to message #18378]

Fri, 05 April 2013 22:12

pleat
Messages: 1453
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

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The footswitch you found on Ebay has a parallel wire to a mono plug. That switch would be used for the on/off reverb footswitch for the PA heads. I think you would need a shielded cable for the selective boost circuit, since it's turning off and on the audio of the circuit. Maybe one of the tech guys could verify what type of cable would be needed. I guess worst case, you might have a lot of hum using a cable that is like a speaker cable.

It's amazing what some people wiill use to recover an amp. Glad to see you removed it. The amp looks killer in the photo's.

pleat

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Re: Kasino Model U-200 [message #18617 is a reply to message #18616]

Fri, 05 April 2013 22:29

Smokey Ranger
Messages: 11
Registered: March 2013
Location: Saginaw, MI

Junior Member

Interesting info on the foot switch
I just rigged up an on / off switch to a 2 wire extension cord and a mono 1/4" jack.
I thought I was just grounding and ungrounding a circuit.

Just added these covers
This is before I cleaned them up