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Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13520] Sun, 02 May 2010 14:16 Go to next message
jrbick is currently offline  jrbick
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I recently acquired a Kasino Club PA amp. There is no model marked in the name plate, but I’m pretty sure it is a 100-P. There is a serial number 5724. The amp is in great condition and works fine, but there was no reverb tank present when I received it. I plugged in a tank from a Kustom K100 head, and it worked kind of OK. The would like to find the correct replacement, but I’m not sure what the correct Accutronics part number would be. There are three type 4 tanks on http://www.tubesandmore.com listed for Kustom, and I was thinking one of these may be correct. If anyone knows what the correct tank should be, I would grateful for the information.
Thanks,
jrbick


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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13531 is a reply to message #13520] Mon, 03 May 2010 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chicagobill
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Welcome to the place.

I don't have a lot of Kasino material, but I do know that most of the internal construction was basically the same as the tuck and roll K-series amps.

The two points to check on are the PC board numbers and how does the tank mount in the amp.

If you let us know what the board number is, we can recommend the correct Accutronics number.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13548 is a reply to message #13531] Tue, 04 May 2010 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Optyk is currently offline  Optyk
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I have a Kasino Club buried in my stuff here. I'll try to get it dug out and see what the reverb tank is marked. If I remember right, physically, it looks exactly like the one in my K200-B5 head.

Be patient with me. I'll get it dug out today or tomorrow.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13550 is a reply to message #13520] Tue, 04 May 2010 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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In the looks and size dept they will be the same.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13564 is a reply to message #13550] Wed, 05 May 2010 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Optyk is currently offline  Optyk
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OK, I dug that baby out and removed the reverb tank. The only marking on the unit that might be relevent is "1122". I can take photos of it, but when I got the head, the reverb wasn't working, or so I thought so I tore into it and found the cardboard cover was rotting and caving into the tank itself, so I cleaned it out good and glued a homemade cover on it which has worked fine for a year and a half.

I did find out that in order for the reverb to work, I had to take a 1/4" guitar plug and short the connections together and plug it into the footswitch jack. As long as that connection was shorted, the reverb worked. Remove the plug and the reverb turned off.

I don't use this head for anything. A guy posted it for sale on our local Craigslist and i bought it. It wouldn't take a whole lot to talk me into selling it or even parting it out. It's in working condition. If you crank the volume up high on it, you'll get a pretty good hum out of it, so I'm sure it needs a few components replaced, but it's functioning the way it is. I did install a grounded cord on it.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13565 is a reply to message #13520] Wed, 05 May 2010 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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1122 is the basic part number for the steel case on all vintage Hammond reverb pans.
It`s great that you are ofeering to take pictures, but unless they are detailed enough to show if the rca jacks are grounded to the pan`s case they will be of no use to determin the pans configuration.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13567 is a reply to message #13520] Wed, 05 May 2010 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chicagobill
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This is why I suggested getting the PC board numbers.

If they are the same as the K200B boards, then we will know what tank should be used.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13570 is a reply to message #13567] Wed, 05 May 2010 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jrbick is currently offline  jrbick
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You guys are great! I really appreciate the help. I finally got around to checking the number in the reverb board. It is marked on the foil side KEI-1 PC 803.
As I said there was no reverb tank in this amp when I got it, but it looks like it was mounted the same as the tank on my K100, with two bars, or tubes across the top of the front and rear of the chassis, and I assume open side up. The empty mounting holes are the same spacing. I hope this info is going to help.
Thanks again for all your help.
John


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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13571 is a reply to message #13570] Wed, 05 May 2010 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Optyk is currently offline  Optyk
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OK, I took the tank out, pulled the 4 screws that hold the reverb board to the chassis and my board is the same KEI-1 PC 803 board.

Hope this helps.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13572 is a reply to message #13520] Wed, 05 May 2010 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm going to keep this unit apart for a few days in case we wind up having to get pics in order to figure this out. I'm just glad for once that I'm able to be of help to someone. You guys have been an absolute wealth of help to me in the past.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13573 is a reply to message #13520] Thu, 06 May 2010 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't want to steer the conversation to another topic, but as long as we're talking Kasinos, I have a question. I've got a Kasino Club PA head, with volume, bass, treble and reverb pots on each of the 4 boards that control the separate channels. So here's my question. I think I have a problem on one of my K200B-5 channels. Are the boards on the Club the same as the ones on the K200B-5? Can I pull one of the Club boards and use it in the B-5 or are they completely different boards?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13574 is a reply to message #13520] Thu, 06 May 2010 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chicagobill
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OK then, the Kasino uses the same mixer/reverb board as a K200B-5 head. And the tank mounts the same way, so it needs the same reverb tank, an Accutronics 4FB2A1A.

This tank will probably be difficult to find unless you order one custom made.

I would suggest just ordering the 4FB2C1A tank from Antique Electronics as it fits all of the criteria except for the ungrounded input jack and just solder in a grounding wire on the input jack.

An additional reason would be that they are selling these for $18.00 right now.

Optyk: As for the preamp boards, I believe that the boards are electronically the same in the two amps and can be swapped out. Although I don't know if there are any physical differences in the mountings.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13575 is a reply to message #13574] Thu, 06 May 2010 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jrbick is currently offline  jrbick
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Thanks, guys. I ordered the recommended tank today.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
John

jb

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13576 is a reply to message #13574] Fri, 07 May 2010 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Optyk is currently offline  Optyk
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Well, I've got that Kasino Club out of the housing, so I guess I'll crack open my K200B-5 and see if it looks like the boards will switch out or not. We'll know the answer to my question in a few days, presuming I can get a chance to get on it.

Thanks for the input, Bill.

Rod

There's only two kinds of music. . . . blues and zippity doo dah.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13577 is a reply to message #13520] Fri, 07 May 2010 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have some spare k200b-5 channel boards in good working order, you can have one for like 30 bucks if that helps you.

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Re: Kasino Reverb Tank info. [message #13580 is a reply to message #13574] Fri, 07 May 2010 15:07 Go to previous message
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I'm not a tech, but I'd say given the fact that the 803 boards were used in both the kustom and kasino's. I've sold all my schematics, but if the kasino uses +8 -8 volts to the pre amps, I'd say they are interchangable. I'd bet the pre-amp boards are the same, even if they have different board numbers. It doesn't make sense to create two different circuit boards to accomplish the same thing. I can't imagine kustom spending the money for new tooling in the kasino line to stamp out all the holes needed to complete the chassis. Kustom used one die to stamp out all the holes in the K200 chassis, speaker jacks, footswitch, power cord, cord wrap, circuit board screw holes, control plate holes etc. all in one stroke of the die. Anyone who has opened up a K200-1 amp will see the extra holes in the aluminum behind the plexi front panel. I saw a Kasino PA head that was housed in a T&R case on ebay a while back.
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