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Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16887]

Thu, 05 April 2012 15:52

innisbass
Messages: 7
Registered: April 2012
Location: New York

Junior Member

Hello fellow Kustom enthusiasts,

I am the proud owner of a Kasino 2x15 speaker enclosure with CTS 15" speakers. I have NO IDEA which model it is. It does not appear on any of the catalogs on this site. It DOES NOT have a striped grille-cloth and it IS NOT tuck and roll but tolex. It has a closed back. It is plain black as plain black could be (with maybe thin white trim on the grille, I can't remember but I think so). It has a little metal badge on the back with the Kasino brand and serial number. It is a tilt and roll, with a single recessed handle on the back and some serious casters (fastened to the cabinet by these incredibly sturdy looking metal corners. 2 casters). It has one single input... that's it. No outputs or weird knobs or descriptive writing. Nothing.

It basically lives in my guitar player's van since I only use it for gigs. Sorry, I have no pictures of it yet but will post if no one knows right off the top of their head.

I have been using an SWR Workingman 400W head with it and have not encountered any issues. The guy who sold it to me said he bought it from the original owner who bought it in 1971. As far as I know there have been no modifications to it. He (the guy who I bought it from) said he ran a 450W head through it without any problems. Needless to say I am a bit worried about using so much wattage on a vintage cabinet like this, but it seems to handle everything I could dish out without breaking a sweat.

I am extremely perplexed as to the model and power handling of this beauty. I've scoured the internet to no avail. Please help if you can. Thanks.

[Updated on: Thu, 05 April 2012 16:13]

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16888 is a reply to message #16887]

Thu, 05 April 2012 21:50

pleat
Messages: 1452
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

Senior Member

It sounds like you have the stand alone stripped 2x15 cab that would be around 1972 when Kasino seperated the head from the cabinet. It would have the two big rigid casters on the lower back. After 40 years, the grill on your cab may have been changed out or painted black. Originally the strip grill cloth would have the silver piping on the edge of the baffle board.
pleat

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16889 is a reply to message #16888]

Thu, 05 April 2012 22:02

pleat
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Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

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I forgot to mention that you should check the actual speakers, make sure they haven't been changed out over the years. CTS was used in the Kasino cabs and were 16 ohms wired in parallel for an 8 ohm load to the amp. The more I think about it, you may have the 252 model that had the 100 watt rms head contained in the cab. May be one reason the cab has a straight black grill cloth. Someone may have extended the baffle board to hide the space the amp would have taken up. Photo's would help a lot in solving what you have.
pleat

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16890 is a reply to message #16887]

Fri, 06 April 2012 06:56

stevem
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Registered: June 2004
Location: NY

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Your SWR head is rated at 400 watts rms into a 4 ohm load, into the 2-15 cab if still wired for 8 ohms the SWR will output 200 watts RMS.
The 2-15 cab with stcok driver could probibly handle 150 watts RMS, but even 100 watts RMS of pure bass power thru 2-15s is loud and punchy as you have found out.
I say this being the owner of many 2-15 cabs and a two 4-10 cabs, a 4-10 cab can not match the thump of a good 2-15 cab even with a 4 string bass, no less a 5 string bass!!!

Dont fret about popping the drivers with your 200 watts, I sure you are pumping no where near that at the volume level you are playing at.

[Updated on: Fri, 06 April 2012 06:57]

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16891 is a reply to message #16889]

Fri, 06 April 2012 11:03

innisbass
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Registered: April 2012
Location: New York

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Pleat, thanks for your help I really appreciate it. I am almost positive that this is not the 252 model since that model had two handles on the sides and my cabinet has one single handle on the back (recessed). It may be the standalone cabinet as you mentioned, but even that I can't be sure of because according to the guy who I bought it from (who bought it from the original owner) there have never been any mods done to this cabinet. I assume the grille cloth came in black. Of course I could be wrong. I will post pictures as soon as possible. Oh, and it does have the original CTS speakers which I'm very happy about. I think they sound great!

I wonder if there is a way to check the serial number?

[Updated on: Fri, 06 April 2012 11:05]

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16892 is a reply to message #16890]

Fri, 06 April 2012 11:20

innisbass
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Registered: April 2012
Location: New York

Junior Member

Hi stevem, thank you! That is indeed a load off. I have blown a friend's cabinet with the very same SWR (lesson learned, don't ever just assume your friend knows his/her gear well... check for yourself)and although I have faith in this kasino I was always just a bit on edge about the possibility of blowing the original CTS speakers. So thank you.

Now I must mention that I also drive everything with a sansamp. I don't know if that makes a huge difference as far as the load on the speakers (I assume it does, obviously, right?). We are also a pretty loud band. Ok, we're a really loud band, who am I kidding. So although I never quite go all the way on the knobs I get pretty darn close AND drive it with the D.I. So far no problems, just a slight, very musical growl that is robust and round around the edges and the highs still come in bright and punchy. So, any reason for worry?

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16893 is a reply to message #16887]

Sat, 07 April 2012 09:15

stevem
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Registered: June 2004
Location: NY

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I do not quite understand your signal chain to talk about.
Are you using the sansamp as a preamp to drive the output stage of the SWR thru its effects in jack?

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Re: Help me identify a Kasino cabinet not pictured in the catalog! [message #16894 is a reply to message #16893]

Sun, 08 April 2012 21:32

innisbass
Messages: 7
Registered: April 2012
Location: New York

Junior Member

hey stevem, it goes:

bass to sansamp
sansamp to effects
effects to swr through the input on front of the amp where the bass would normally plug in (not the fx loop in the back)

pictures of the cabinet will be up by wednesday for anyone else that may be able to help with identifying it.

thanks

[Updated on: Sun, 08 April 2012 21:36]

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