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Slaving Kustom amps [message #1676] Sun, 30 June 2002 16:08 Mike Messages: 4 Registered: June 2002 Location: Miami, FL Junior Member There was a post somewhere in the forum about creating a "direct out" from a Kustom amp. Can anybody tell me how to daisy chain Kustom amps? My GKs are easy, because I can just use their effects loop, but my Kustom has neither a direct out or send/return. thanks, Mike Mike Montgomery Report message to a moderator

Direct/Slave Out [message #1677 is a reply to message #1676] Mon, 01 July 2002 14:50 Mike Messages: 4 Registered: June 2002 Location: Miami, FL Junior Member For anybody else needing this info, after a couple hours searching the archives I found the gurus had already addressed the slaving question: Gary: "Drill a hole beside the speaker output jack and add another standard ¼” jack. Connect one lead of a 100k ohm resistor to the hot tab of the Speaker jack and the other lead to the hot tab of your new installed Slave Out jack (the hot tab is the one that a blue wire is connected to). On the slave out jack, connect a 1K ohm resistor to the hot tab, and the other end to the ground tab on that same jack. The resistors can be ¼ or ½ watt and 5 or 10% tolerance." Don: "From the + output jack solder a 100K ohm resistor in series with a 6.8K ohm resistor to ground. Take a tap between the two resistors and that is your direct out for feeding slave amps, pa, or recording. Half watt resistors recommended." Conrad: "I did sent the speaker output directly into the High impedance input of an old Sunn SA21 power amp." Deb: "To run 2 heads at once buy a Morley A/B/Y footswitch ... {or} a DI box." Mike Montgomery Report message to a moderator

Re: Direct/Slave Out [message #1678 is a reply to message #1677] Mon, 01 July 2002 16:17 ET Messages: 146 Registered: October 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Senior Member have to agree...the cleanest way..and what I use is the Morely ABY switch. Also check out an EDI direct box that is designed to feed from the speaker signal and does the same thing from there that a regular DI box would do. I have both and they work great witout having to be too smart about my amps. my EDI is made by Peavey and has both 1/4 and XLR. I do get some of the kustom amp noise...but surprisingly..not a bad signal at all. But I like my Morely the best cause it allows me to channel switch when I want to run tube rigs along with my kustoms...sometimes I want to cut out the kustom or the marshal, but alot of the time what I"m doing is adding the marshall ontop of my clean,bold kustom tone when I need to kick in a screaming solo and want the added volume over the top...all kinds of options....ET Report message to a moderator

Re: Direct/Slave Out [message #1679 is a reply to message #1678] Mon, 01 July 2002 21:12 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member Yup, I love my Morley A/B/Y.... :-) Deb Report message to a moderator

Re: Direct/Slave Out [message #1680 is a reply to message #1679] Tue, 02 July 2002 09:34 ET Messages: 146 Registered: October 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Senior Member the other I forgot tomention..I use Boss pedal fx...my board has a stereo send for chorus and the delay features..and even before that I would run the boss stereo chorus pedal so I could get a split..I have pairs of most of my kustom rigs..all my SC combo series in particular and I run those in stereo when I'm doing sideman jobs...most of the work goes to my pair of 2x10SC 100s..they are great!..also the 2x12 rigs..big n bold!..its just a great sound and a great excuse to have twice the kustoms!! ET Report message to a moderator

Re: Morley ABY [message #1683 is a reply to message #1679] Fri, 05 July 2002 23:03 Mike Messages: 4 Registered: June 2002 Location: Miami, FL Junior Member I understand ET's setup with the dual guitar amps, but Deb, are you running two Kustom bass amps at once? (don't mean to be snoopy!) -Mike Deb wrote: <> Mike Montgomery Report message to a moderator

Re: Morley ABY [message #1684 is a reply to message #1683] Sat, 06 July 2002 01:02 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member Yes, Mike I am! A 200 and a 250 sound sweet together. Or, a 200 and a 100. Or, a 250 and a 150. Or, a 250 and a 100..... :-) I also use the morley a/b/y to run 2 of my sc guitar combos at the same time. A K50 and a K25 for guitar (yes I do play guitar too)-- also sounds very sweet! Another sometime overlooked use for the morley is to use it as a switcher for 2 guitars. Leave them both plugged in and use the morley to help you make that onstage switch between your strat and les paul, or whatever. Of course, you would be switching between the 2 guitars and running into one amp with this approach. Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1686 is a reply to message #1676] Sun, 07 July 2002 12:39 Anonymous With all the posts on here regarding this subject from some knowledgable people (so please correct me if I'm wrong), I'm surprised no one has mentioned that on most Kustom heads there is a "line-level signal output" jack on the back. On 200 & 400's its usually a RCA phono type jack. On later slant face models like the 250 its a 1/4" phone jack labled "to record" & another "to module". Both should be able to drive a second head. My 100 heads don't have these. Another "old trick" we used to use "way back when" (no laughing please) was to simply connect a guitar cord from the second input jack of the same channel on your primary amp to an input on your second amp. This may mess-up the input impedances, especially with solid state amps, I'm not sure. The more techinical amongst you might want to elaborate on this. artto Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1687 is a reply to message #1686] Sun, 07 July 2002 13:07 Anonymous Your old trick will work better with the later (e.g. K250) series than the earlier (e.g. K200) amps. The later series has "dual level" input jacks while the earlier has "dual tone" input jacks. It is possible with the earlier, but you can lose bass response on one or both amps depending on which jacks you use for what connection. Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1688 is a reply to message #1686] Sun, 07 July 2002 14:02 Anonymous Thanks, mine has the RCA outputs on the back (its a 1969 400 bass head.) Didn't realize that's what they were for! -Mike artto wrote: << on most Kustom heads there is a "line-level signal output" jack on the back ... usually a RCA phono type jack. >> Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1689 is a reply to message #1686] Sun, 07 July 2002 21:50 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member In response to: "With all the posts on here regarding this subject from some knowledgable people (so please correct me if I'm wrong), I'm surprised no one has mentioned that on most Kustom heads there is a "line-level signal output" jack on the back. On 200 & 400's its usually a RCA phono type jack. On later slant face models like the 250 its a 1/4" phone jack labled "to record" & another "to module". Both should be able to drive a second head. My 100 heads don't have these." Well, that's true, but what if you DON'T want BOTH maps running at the same time??? That's when I use the Morley a/b/y. For instance, let's say that you run a 100 head flat out, wide open for that overdrive sound for leads (perhaps with avolume pedal in between there). And you use a K50 for your rhythm parts... With the morley a/b/y, you can switch the guitar signal over to JUST the 100 head when desired, and then back to JUST the K50 when you need that. You can't do that with using the line level signal jack...... Think of the morley a/b/y as what it is: a switcher. (Disclaimer:the above listed heads can be interchangeable from whatever Kustom stuff you own, not saying that anyone of the models is excluded. And don't blame me if you smoke the 100 head trying this out! :-)) Oh, and on the 250 heads, the "to module" jack is to send a signal from the head down to a power module (with speakers) cab. This allows the power module cab to then use it's internal amplifier to reproduce what it's being fed through that cabinets 2-15" speakers. Basically, using this jack, the head sends whatever tone controls you are running on the 250 head down to the powered cab. There is no additional tone controls there. Does that help anyone? Deb Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1690 is a reply to message #1689] Sun, 07 July 2002 21:53 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member Oh, and when you use to "to module" jack on the 250 heads, you MUST use a guitar cord, which is shielded. Do not use a speaker cable in that hookup. Report message to a moderator

Re: Morley ABY [message #1691 is a reply to message #1690] Sun, 07 July 2002 22:02 Mike Messages: 4 Registered: June 2002 Location: Miami, FL Junior Member <> Yes, indeed. BTW, does the Morley have only 1/4" inputs, or will it also accept XLR? I'd like to tap a piano mic that goes into the PA to send to a small amplified monitor for the drummer.) thanks, Mike Mike Montgomery Mike Montgomery Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1692 is a reply to message #1689] Mon, 08 July 2002 14:08 Anonymous The line level signal output on K200's is expecting to see a high impedance input. You cannot use this output as an input to another K200 head's poweramp. Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1693 is a reply to message #1692] Mon, 08 July 2002 16:06 ET Messages: 146 Registered: October 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Senior Member thank you for that last one.. i just got back and noticed all the posts...sorry to have missed the fun...yes, did want to warn..the line out, rca jacks will come across quite hot if going into another low level preamp...and of course very noisey..tried it when I was a kid and didn't know the diff...man was that a loud moment in my life! never plugged anything into those outputs again for another 20 years! The channel preamp jack to jack that was mentioned is an old Fender trick and we still use it to add some preamp sass to the tone..you'd have to pull the little resistor (or is a capacitory.. I always get confused ) off the input jack that says "High" to allow for a clean pass through on that one...and running a 'Y' cable from your guitar straight...might oughta check to see if there isn't a tad bit of voltage that could cause preamp trouble if the amps are out of polarity sync on the old 2 prong 110 lines..its all just messy...get a morely..no..get like 3 of em, and stack 6 kustom 200 heads together and 2 cabs per head..it'll be glorious!! I'm thinkin all white sparkle, a mirror ball, and some 4 inch stack white leather shoes...them was the good ol days! and yes, sadly I have some pictures to prove it...ET Report message to a moderator

Re: Slaving Kustom amps [message #1694 is a reply to message #1693] Mon, 08 July 2002 21:02 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member Oh, I forgot to say too that the morley can act as a Y, or combiner,==as in one guitar going into 2 amps at the same time. Or you can switch between the 2. I agree with ET, buy a morley or 2 or 3. Get loud!!!! Oh, and thanks for the tip on the RCA out thingy. I haven't been brave enough (or stupid?) to try that one yet. Now I won't! Report message to a moderator

Re: Morley ABY [message #1695 is a reply to message #1691] Mon, 08 July 2002 21:04 KustomBlues Messages: 490 Registered: June 2001 Location: Michigan Senior Member Mike, they have only 1/4" jacks. You can buy an adapter though. Report message to a moderator

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