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What do you think? [message #19399]

Sat, 21 September 2013 20:12

JimW
Messages: 20
Registered: August 2013
Location: The UP of Michigan

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Hi guys, I was wondering if any body know what year this is for real? Any commits or ops.? http:// www.ebay.com/itm/1977-KUSTOM-K100-VINTAGE-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-AM PLIFIER-K-100-AMP-SILVER-SPARKLE-/271279566165?pt=LH_Default Domain_0&hash=item3f2985ad55

[Updated on: Sat, 21 September 2013 20:23]

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Re: What do you think? [message #19400 is a reply to message #19399]

Sat, 21 September 2013 21:16

chicagobill
Messages: 2005
Registered: April 2003

Senior Member

I think that the head is older and the bottom is from the later metal front amps. The sides of the speaker cab slant, which was true of the metal fronts, but not of the older K100 and K200 series amps.

Pleat I'm sure will have all the real details. It is really clean looking. I'm surprised at the current bid of over 1K.

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Re: What do you think? [message #19401 is a reply to message #19399]

Sat, 21 September 2013 21:20

pleat
Messages: 1452
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

Senior Member

The serial number from the listing places the amp head between Jan.- June 1968. Kustom started placing serial number tags on speaker cabinets starting in Nov. 1969 according to a chart LesS posted on this web site.
I'd say the head and cab were not sold as a set brand new but somehow came together to be a really nice looking rig. The KEI speaker jack would place the cab close to the middle of 1971. The KEI speakers were guitar speakers, and CTS would have been installed for bass guitar. Appears the speakers have been re-cone at the factory in April 1977.
It would have been nice to see photos of the top of the amp and also the top and bottom of the speaker cab.
pleat

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Re: What do you think? [message #19402 is a reply to message #19401]

Sat, 21 September 2013 23:44

oren hudson
Messages: 274
Registered: March 2008
Location: Gastonia, NC

Senior Member

I'm thinking that I'd like to sell some Kustom stuff to the bidders on this one. Smile

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Re: What do you think? [message #19403 is a reply to message #19402]

Sun, 22 September 2013 00:16

Kustom_Bart
Messages: 601
Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN

Senior Member

I would sell everything except my K50's and reds for that, each...holy crap!

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Re: What do you think? [message #19404 is a reply to message #19400]

Sun, 22 September 2013 07:24

pleat
Messages: 1452
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

Senior Member

Going back and looking over the photo's again. I noticed the amp chassis doesn't have the Music Store Logo Paint stamp that appears on the speaker cabinet just above the serial number plate, which makes me think they weren't sold as a set brand new.
It appears the AC power cord has a funky area, either electrical tape or something. Top row center of the power cord. Looks like it's blue pilot light has been changed out to a red lens. The photo showing both sides of the amp, the photo on the right side, appears some dark marks or dirt on the bottom of the amp head. Not sure what that might be.

The slanted cabs is correct for the K100-K200 series amp heads.
When the slant metal face amps came out, Kustom changed the speaker cabinets to straight no taper and changed the grill cloth to black with silver threads. The logo plate also changed with the slant metal face amps as well. Kustom logo is shifted to the left of the plate and dull cast aluminum.

For a amp that appears to be right out of a time machine, I would think that the amp and cab would still have it's covers. Maybe the seller has or will list the covers after this auction.

I remember a red K100 head and cab sell for over 1200.00 and 3 days later another red K100 and cab sell for 550.00 Just depends on timing and if someone really needs a certain color to complete a collection in that series.
pleat

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Re: What do you think? [message #19405 is a reply to message #19404]

Sun, 22 September 2013 10:25

JimW
Messages: 20
Registered: August 2013
Location: The UP of Michigan

Junior Member

When I saw this I said to myself that it was to much money, and then I started to look at it and I'm thinking its a older unit with newer speakers. Didn't Kustom use the slanted cabs mid to late 60's? Thanks,Jim

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Re: What do you think? [message #19406 is a reply to message #19399]

Sun, 22 September 2013 20:37

Kustom_Bart
Messages: 601
Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN

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Look at the post above yours /\ /\

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Re: What do you think? [message #19407 is a reply to message #19404]

Mon, 23 September 2013 08:45

C4ster
Messages: 686
Registered: June 2001
Location: Mukwonago, WI (Milwaukee...

Senior Member

Pleat,
Don't remind me of that sale. That was my $1200 and yes the very next and ONLY red went for much less. However, that amp is used constantly, every Sunday. With the JBL E140 in it, it is almost perfect in every way.
Conrad

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Re: What do you think? [message #19408 is a reply to message #19399]

Mon, 23 September 2013 12:20

chicagobill
Messages: 2005
Registered: April 2003

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Well then Conrad, you are getting your money's worth out of the amp. I know that you were looking for that amp for a long time.

Pleat, thanks for the correction on the slant cabs, I knew it was one or the other.

Did Les have a serial number list that covered the speaker cabs?

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Re: What do you think? [message #19409 is a reply to message #19408]

Mon, 23 September 2013 21:20

pleat
Messages: 1452
Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi

Senior Member

I think we've all spent more than we should at some time or another. I look at a kustom and know that I can't just order a new 40+ year old amp from a music store, so when one does surface that I want, I go after it.

I don't think LesS ever did a serial number chart on the speaker cabinets.
I remember he was asking for date codes of pot's and transformers and any markings that may have been scratched in the chassis to form his amp serial number chart.

pleat

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Re: What do you think? [message #19410 is a reply to message #19409]

Tue, 24 September 2013 00:03

oren hudson
Messages: 274
Registered: March 2008
Location: Gastonia, NC

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FYI - I have a 5/20/09 printout that I did off of the forum that LesS posted under Kustom Amplifier serial number chart etc. that included Tuck-and-Roll, Tolex and Kustom Speaker Cabinet serial numbers. The approximate post date is April 21 2004. Smile

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Re: What do you think? [message #19411 is a reply to message #19410]

Tue, 24 September 2013 03:45

Kustom_Bart
Messages: 601
Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN

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Here is a link to the post, I think, but no chart in there, http://www.vintagekustom.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&t h=757&goto=3822&rid=2049&S=686c55455d158f3172150 9ae2ce5d1b9#msg_3822

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Re: What do you think? [message #19412 is a reply to message #19411]

Tue, 24 September 2013 22:28

oren hudson
Messages: 274
Registered: March 2008
Location: Gastonia, NC

Senior Member

That's the neighborhood KB - the specific post was #3822. I see that one's now incomplete. If there's interest, I'll gladly fax you, or anybody else, a copy of the couple of pages with the info on it. Just give me a fax number. Smile

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Re: What do you think? [message #19413 is a reply to message #19399]

Wed, 25 September 2013 08:12

carlc
Messages: 143
Registered: July 2006
Location: Summerville, SC

Senior Member

Oren,

PM sent.

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Re: What do you think? [message #19426 is a reply to message #19399]

Thu, 26 September 2013 23:14

oren hudson
Messages: 274
Registered: March 2008
Location: Gastonia, NC

Senior Member

Hope you'll find that info useful. I learned a long time ago that when I run across something that I'm interested in or might need to reference, print it out and make a properly labeled file. I just finished printing some newly found info on a '67/'68 Hagstrom Concord Deluxe bass that I've had for a number of years. While putting that info in the Hagstrom file, I discovered something that I didn't know about this bass. Reportedly, there were made only for 1967 and 1968 and just 150 were made! The standard version non-DeLuxe was made '65-'71 in the number of 2,749. I didn't know that I had such a rare Hag. Also have the original case. The thinnest bass neck you'll ever play. Cool

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