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Parts Identification [message #29482] Tue, 11 March 2025 13:37 Go to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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I recently purchased a 250-4 amp and was told the tremolo section was dead.  I went ahead and bought the amp thinking I could get that section fixed.  When I received the amp, the tremolo effect was dead, however, the volume on the effect channel was more than half of the non-effect channel.  I just received a call from the repair shop and was informed it looks like the issue was with the pre-amp section on the effects channel. The tech did not go any further in his diagnosis and then me told the schematic does not describe the parts listed on the schematic with respect to the parts.  The transistors are just listed by a Kustom part number.  The same with the diodes.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I am technically challenged and need a qualified person to do the repair and do not want to fry the amp by trying!  

Thank you.

KustomGeorge
Re: Parts Identification [message #29483 is a reply to message #29482] Tue, 11 March 2025 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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Hi George.
I am not sure which preamp you’re talking about because the effects work on both channels.
Here’s the parts for both.
Q3 is a 40841 mosfet or a NTE221.

Q1 is a very common 2N3906 or a NTE 123ap.

Q2 is 2N4249 or a NTE 159.

The diodes are a 1N4148.

Ua739 ( 14 pin IC) is a NTE725

All of these can be found on EBay.
Re: Parts Identification [message #29484 is a reply to message #29482] Tue, 11 March 2025 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A ECG-725 is the same IC chip.
Re: Parts Identification [message #29485 is a reply to message #29484] Wed, 12 March 2025 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Steve - Thank you for the parts identification.  I had my son-in-law take a look at the schematic.  He has a PhD in Quantum Physics. Initially, the issue has been with the effects channel.  The non-effects channel has no problems with volume. I plugged the amp in and found if I turn down all the volume knobs down to zero on the effects channel, the volume was was unaffected on that channel.  However, as soon as I turn up the effects knob even barely a smidge, the volume was decreased by over 50-60% on that channel.  My son-in-law immediately went to the effects schematic and thought the issue could be one of the 7 ICs - 3 of the 81154 (look like large transistors - round with extra legs) and 4 N5558 - 8 pin ICs.  His thought was to replace all 7 of the ICs and add sockets to the pc board for the 4 N5558s for ease of replacement, if necessary in the future.  

I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thank you.

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29486 is a reply to message #29485] Wed, 12 March 2025 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Steve - an addendum - Even with all of the effects volumes turned to zero, the overall channel volume to the effects channel is substantially lower than the non-effects channel.  Definitely something wonky with effects channel.  This is a 250-4 amp.

Again, thank you for all of your thoughts and insights.

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29487 is a reply to message #29482] Wed, 12 March 2025 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chicagobill
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I would suggest that before you start replacing any parts, please check all of the Molex connectors on the cables that run from board to board.

Sometimes they will oxidize and loose connection or will just vibrate loose. Worst case is when the connectors break the solder joints that hold them to the pc board. I use a contact cleaner called DeOxit, but any quality cleaner made for electronic contacts will work fine. I do not recommend WD-40 or any other oil based products for this purpose.

Spray a little cleaner on each of the pins and then push and pull each connector on and off to burnish the contacts.

If this doesn't fix any of the problems, then trace the signal path to see where the problem might be.
Re: Parts Identification [message #29488 is a reply to message #29482] Wed, 12 March 2025 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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Have your son-in-law look at the schematic for the 250-1.

On that note the jumper between pins 1 and 2 on J1 on the 5066 preamp board.

This jumper closes off the signal that would go to the effects board  on the 250-4  amp and sends it right to the output board.

The output signal from the 5067 preamp board goes into the 5066 boards  14 pin IC chip.

This means that if you unplug your connector from J1 and then jump pins 1 and 2 you will have then bypassed the effects board completely.

Then you can judge where the problem lies .

Like Bill posted your whole issue might be just tarnished up aluminum connectors in those plugs.

[Updated on: Wed, 12 March 2025 16:23]

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Re: Parts Identification [message #29489 is a reply to message #29487] Wed, 12 March 2025 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Bill - Thank you for the idea!

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29490 is a reply to message #29488] Wed, 12 March 2025 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Steve - Thank you.  We will give it a try!@

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29491 is a reply to message #29487] Thu, 13 March 2025 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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chicagobill - Thank you for the DeOxit spray suggestion.  I went to the internet and found a number of DeOxit sprays.  Which should I use to clean the contacts?

Also, should I remove each wire from the Molex, clean them and reinsert them or leave them in the Molex and spray into the connector?  As you can guess, I'm kinda new to this!

Thank you.

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29492 is a reply to message #29482] Fri, 14 March 2025 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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First unplug and plug back in 2 times each connector  as many times this is all that’s needed to get a connection back to being functional.
If you find a connector that this works on then spray  it.

When you unplug each connector wiggle around each Female pin in the connector on the board  as many times there solder connection (s) on the bottom of the board has failed.

You can also very carefully squeeze them down a little tighter so they grip the male end better.

For connector spray just go to any auto parts store or well stocked hardware store and by a can of CRC brand electrical  contact spray.

Use a paper towel to soak up the over flow.
Re: Parts Identification [message #29494 is a reply to message #29492] Fri, 14 March 2025 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Steve - Thank you!  I will let you know how it goes!

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29495 is a reply to message #29491] Fri, 14 March 2025 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rodak
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DeOxit D5 is what I use, works great - used it on dozens of pots and jacks.  It's available from a number of places - my favorite is Sweetwater:

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DeoxIT--caig-laborat ories-d5s-6-caig-deoxit-contact-cleaner-5-percent-spray-5-oz

$18 with free shipping - hard to beat that.  The spray nozzle has three adjustments for amount of spray - I always use it on the lowest setting - doesn't waste a lot of it and doesn't make as much of a mess as some sprays.


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Re: Parts Identification [message #29507 is a reply to message #29494] Wed, 23 April 2025 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
KustomGeorge is currently offline  KustomGeorge
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Steve - Thank you - The de-ox worked to fix the decrease in volume on channel 2.  However, the tremolo and vibrato are still not working.

Any other suggestion would be much appreciated!

Thank you.

George
Re: Parts Identification [message #29512 is a reply to message #29482] Sat, 26 April 2025 07:32 Go to previous message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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Well now your down to troubleshoot by checking voltages shown on the schematic.

Note that all Kustom schematics for the metal face amps state the voltages with all the controls at minimum and no speaker load on the amp.

[Updated on: Sat, 26 April 2025 07:36]

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